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The Truth About Conversions: What Law Firms Need to Know
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🚨 Most law firm owners think conversions are about one magic ad or a killer landing page. But here’s the truth: that’s a myth. In this eye-opening episode, Mike and Eddie unpack why “conversion” isn’t a single event but a series of intentional steps — from your first impression to your follow-up game. Whether you’re obsessing over traffic or stuck in the social media spin cycle, this episode breaks down how to finally turn clicks into actual clients.
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- One-click conversions are a fantasy — real success comes from multi-step engagement.
- Why every law firm needs a clear next step (not just a “call now” button).
- How to fix the “funnel” mindset most attorneys get wrong.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to the Law Firm Marketing Minute. As always, I'm your host, Smike, and today we have Eddie, eddie and, honestly, today is going to be all about conversions, all about the truth People love conversions.
Speaker 2:The truth about conversions. The truth about conversions you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 1:That was not even close. That was my best. Jack Nicholson what was his name in the movie?
Speaker 2:Mack Pickles, not even close. Colonel Nathan Jessup, jessup.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, jessup makes sense. I believe that's what it is. Yeah, do you remember Tom?
Speaker 2:Cruise's name in the movie. There's Lieutenant Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Let's find out.
Speaker 2:Hold on. What do we have? Oh, is it Jack? Something? I bet it's Jack. I feel like it's Jack, or his dad was named Jack. I think we got a podcast review saying this is disorganized in the best way and, as we're talking about, we already starting off very unorganized. I'm like, yeah, wait a second, he might be on to something here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is Lieutenant Daniel Caffey. Oh, daniel Caffey Caffey, which is how Eddie says coffee. No, it's not, it's from.
Speaker 2:Boston. Well, we say coffee, but I mean like Caffey. No, that's like a New York thing. More disorganized mess yeah.
Speaker 1:If you hear Sophia, sophia is always coo-off. Yeah, bostonians with coffee, kevin Bacon All these good names, all this good information that we can get into in today's episode. Eddie, you kind of came up with this idea here for telling the truth about conversions. What kind of crossed your mind that you were like, hey, I've got something to say about conversions.
Speaker 2:You know, ironically, I know a lot of times when we're talking on the phone with clients, when I used to work with clients, I would ask them what are the questions you get over and over again? They make great podcasts, they make great blogs, and this is a question that I used to get a lot, not even a question, but even a demand that I would get a lot this all stemmed around. I mean, there was a conversation we had with a potential client, maybe six months, eight months, a year ago, I don't know. I mean I'm old. I mean this flers together at this point but you remember what he had for breakfast.
Speaker 1:I did not eat breakfast, that's. That's why he keeps it easy. It was probably tapioca pudding. Based on his age, is that an old people thing? Very much so maybe that, or rice pudding oh, I hear rice, disorganized mess.
Speaker 2:No, but the conversation we had with the potential client is he's like uh, we went over our services and our janna, our senior business development manager, was going over and it's like yeah, we do blogs, do content, we talk about paid ads. Like I'm not interested in any of that because I don't want any of that. Okay, what do you want? He's like I want, want one page on my website per week that just converts. Put up on my website one page. I want it to convert and let it run for about a week and then we'll take it down. I want another one, I just want conversions. That's all I want. It sounds amazing, right, and that's why it's so tantalizing. That's a good word. It's like I want this one thing that's going to convert and take things over and over again, I mean. But I mean like when you write a book, people say I need a good idea for a book. No, you don't need a good idea book, you need thousands of ideas, if not tens of thousands. I mean every decision, every sentence is a is a decision. So in the same way, in the same sort of regard, I like you don't need one thing that converts, you need multiple steps along the chain that convert. I mean, I just think there's this general misinformation or kind of assumption that even one ad will blow it up Like this will pour people in and then when that ad stops working, I'll put up another ad. It'll just keep pouring people in. Ad stops working, I'll put up another ad. It'll just keep pouring people in.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think the stat is, I think, less than two percent of all like successful sales happen on the first interaction. It's in. In the majority of times you need seven to twelve impressions or touch points in order to make that sale and most of of them like four out of five, sales happen around the fifth time that you've spoken to somebody. So there is no one-step page that's going to convert. There is no one-step ad that's going to convert. It's a step along the process and I think that's where people get lost in seeing the chain of events that create a prospect into a paying client. So that's where this stems from. Yeah, so that's where I'm going with the idea of conversions, and it's like I don't need one thing that converts. I need four or five, six different things and we can go into how that works and what that looks like. Here's a quick question what?
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Speaker 1:I think really, what the attractiveness about conversions is is that conversions really tell the story. Right, I mean, you can have a landing page up and you can get a lot of clicks to it yeah. But if you don't get conversions, then there's obviously something up with the landing page. It's telling you a story. It's saying, hey, you know, whatever you're doing beforehand to get people to this landing page is working, but once they get there and it could be multiple things it could be the fact that the people that you're getting to that landing page are not the right kind of people. It could be the people that you're getting to the landing page have no idea what you're talking about when they get there. Excellent point. I'm confused, so you know it's I think about when I say that I think about clickbait. I don't know if you remember, if you're old enough to remember clickbait.
Speaker 2:You know I am. I was going through clickbait back with my tapioca pudding.
Speaker 1:So clickbait. For those of you that don't know, it's basically the practice. It's a bad, unethical kind of practice where you're um, as, as chat gpt puts it, your landing page was a catfish. So basically you use something, something, uh, just not nothing to do with what you are promoting, but it catches the eye and then when people click on it, they get to your landing page and your landing page has nothing to do with it. So it's like you know, a very classic example. I remember back in the days of young youtube where then people could put up their own cover photos for their videos and would usually be like you know some attractive woman, or it would be like um, you know explosion, or something like that, um, and and it just like completely has nothing to do with what the video was actually about, but it got you to click on it.
Speaker 2:The ones that are always in my head is like the top the 12 celebrities that passed away in 2025. It was a picture of like Scarlett Johansson and I don't again nothing wrong with I'm not wishing ill upon anybody but you're like Scarlett Johansson passed away Like no way. And then you click on it and realize she's not one of the 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like wait a second. I mean, that's the whole thing about advertising and lying. I mean, lying in advertising might get you to click once, but it'll never get you to click twice, and we're talking about long-term relationships here. That's exactly what we don't want to do are not important. No, conversions are how you measure success. It's just how we view conversions and at what point. Like what step, what did they convert someone to do? I mean, a conversion doesn't necessarily mean that someone heard you and called you immediately. That's not necessarily a conversion. They took the action, the intended action that that piece of marketing intended them to take, and that's what we're talking about. And then that step leads to another step and that step leads to another step and you're converting them. We've talked about this since I haven't done that. Yeah, it's essentially a funnel. I mean, you're starting wide and you're just getting people to get to the end, and the end state being a paid consultation or a client.
Speaker 1:Well, I think so. When we talk about funnels right, when you talk about, like, having your funnel, I mean, this is exactly what we're kind of getting at is that like you're casting a wider net at the top, obviously, and then you're weeding people out as they get down the funnel? And here's the thing is that, like I feel like many people would be very scared about oh my gosh, like I lost a follower. Or oh my gosh, someone unsubscribed to my email list, or oh my gosh, like I didn't get this person to become a client. I have a thousand people in my funnel and now I have 999. Oh my gosh, like what am I going to do? The thing is, that's the purpose of the funnels. Yeah, that's exactly what it's supposed to be. The funnels are supposed to weed out the ones that really aren't meant for your law firm or your brand.
Speaker 2:I mean, we put up an ad and we have lots of ads and I run ads here and someone contacted us this week saying they're injured and they need an attorney. I wish you well. I mean you don't want anybody on this side of the table representing you.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's not what you do, but for all those personal injury attorneys out there, there is someone looking, so go check out. I think it was on Facebook or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it was weird. I don't even know if it was a real thing, but anyway, yeah, that is good. I mean that's going to waste our time. We don't want our people sitting down and having a meeting or sitting aside in time. It's lost money. So, absolutely, you're trying to get people out.
Speaker 1:So basically, I mean, would you agree that the idea of the funnel is like we're strategizing to weed people out, we're strategizing to narrow that list?
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's even like we're strategizing, it's just a natural function of the funnel. I mean you're going to lose people along the way. I mean so we're starting out. I mean so, just like, take you from start to finish on this. I mean like if we have an ad that's running, that ad is not necessarily going to run right to a phone number and it's good, it's.
Speaker 2:A lot of times it's going to lead to a landing page and I said, there you go, step two and then step three, you're looking at them whether or not they actually filled out said landing page. I mean you, there's so many people I mean, for someone who runs ads and studies ads a lot of the time, we have a shocking number of people who will see one of our ads, click yes, that I want to book a call with someone in your office, and then they're led to a page and they don't fill it out. And if you've ever gotten, if you've ever been on a website or you looked at something and you decided not to buy it and then two days later you get that text on your phone, hey, remember you, we saw you checking out so-and-so on our website. They're doing that for a reason. I mean because you're losing a lot of sales for people walking away. But it doesn mean you're you're uninterested or willing to meet. You just need a lot of reminders. So a conversion is a is a train.
Speaker 1:I mean, if it's a 10-step train, we got to get them from the caboose all the way up to the front and load the coal in yeah, and honestly, as a millennial, I can remember both sides where you know before, uh, like social media and all that, I can remember how it was basically all your, all your marketing was spent on ads in, like you know, magazines or on billboards or tv commercials. And then I remember, you know, when facebook started taking off or whatever, and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, people started noticing, they started picking up on the fact that, hey, I was just on this website and now I'm starting to see ads for it, and people started getting freaked out, like absolutely freaked out.
Speaker 2:They think their phone's listening to them. Maybe they are, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think at this point we've evolved to the point where it's like you don't even have to go to a website. You could just be talking about something and then all of a sudden you see an ad. That's a little.
Speaker 2:That's a little, uh I mean I don't know, I just I'm not going to get into that, but I mean it's a well. Yeah, what you're talking about is like there's pixels on websites. I mean, so you want to describe what like a pixel? Um, as someone who eats tapioca pudding in the morning and it's on the on the early end of the millennials, let you describe what a pixel is so basically a pixel.
Speaker 1:Let me see if I can get the the accurate description here um I'll tell you, well, I mean what it essentially does is.
Speaker 2:I mean so if you have a website? This is where it means we talk about the reminders and convert and converting people. So if you, um, you have a personal injury law firm, let's go stick with that. Someone, um, someone's injured they're, they're, they're scrolling, they're looking, they somehow end up on your website and there's multiple ways we can get people to your website. But that's a different conversation. So you get people their website, they look at you, they oh yeah, okay, I'm gonna keep looking. This is maybe, maybe an attorney I'm considering, but I got four or five more I'm looking at.
Speaker 2:Next time, if you run, if that same personal injury attorney runs Facebook ads, when that potential client who looked at the personal injury website is now scrolling on Facebook, now, all of a sudden, that personal injury attorney's ad shows up on their feed. Why? Because there was a pixel in their website that I guess kind of glommed on or attached to that person that's going to follow them around on social media. So it's targeting, so you're getting targeted ads. It's part of that reminder process. It's part of that conversion process. Again, it's a multi-tiered step process in order to get someone through your door. It's not a single act, but, again, that's why pixels exist, as you have to be able to speak to someone again and again, and again and be able to follow them along the buyer's journey. All right, what is your exact definition of a pixel?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so pixel tracking is basically a tiny invisible image or snippet of code that's on a website or email and basically when someone visits that page or opens the email, the pixel fires off and sends the data back to the platforms connected to, so like in our case it could be Facebook, linkedin and basically. So what now happens is that when that person visits their Facebook or their LinkedIn, they're more likely to see the ads from that website or the email that they were on because the pixel kind of fired it off. And now people might be thinking, well, like how is that even legal? Yep, and it is legal, it is completely legal.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's different things that you know must be provided. You know it has to kind of be like the privacy policies. There has to be like some sort of like hey, like we use this kind of thing and that sort of thing. It's definitely legal. It has to be, has to be made known. Um, uh, it's. It's like it reminds me of, uh, for all those that enjoy south park I have, I say as soon as you said that I was thinking about the ipad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when no one reads, no one. Everyone. Everyone reads the uh, the terms of agreement and they just click yes. And only one kid does not read them. He just clicks yes. He gets sent to a very disturbing place Because he agreed to it.
Speaker 2:He just didn't read Apple's terms and agreements. Nothing against Apple, please don't sue me.
Speaker 1:But that's immediately. What came to my mind is that it's there, people are able to read it, but who actually does read it? I mean, I guess lawyers do.
Speaker 2:I mean it's funny. I've actually talked with a couple of lawyers and they always joke about how they don't read it either. Some of them are very good at it. I mean, I remember this isn't either here or there, but he was talking about riding a snowmobile and he was reading the terms and they're like no, this is just to make sure that we're not responsible if you hurt yourself. And he's like well, anyway, the point is he ended up reading the agreement that the private company said. He's like there's no way I would ever agree to what you're asking me to do. And it's like well, on your way. So, yes, we do click yes quite quickly. But yes, that's essentially what a pixel is, and the reason it exists is because it allows you to continually remind that person. Again. They're on the fence, but it's just like there's.
Speaker 2:There's a constant like push and pull about people forgetting who you are, and it's very easy to forget who somebody is. I mean it's. It seems hard that someone would go to an attorney's website and then 30 minutes later, I have no idea who that attorney is. I mean that is the reality. So in the marketing world, we're trying to make sure that they don't either forget you. I mean, that's essentially one of the most successful elements of a newsletter is people don't forget you or they just continue to remember who you are. So the time of referrals, someone's like yeah, I got that person. Even if they don't necessarily open your newsletter, they still see who you are and it stays in your head. That's why Pepsi's on the side of a hockey rink, right, no one's running out and buying Pepsi. They might next time they're thirsty. I mean, it's just like I remember Pepsi as I'm part of the game. It's in my head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing. If you can think about the last time you were at some sort of event. It doesn't even have to be a big MLB or NFL NHL game.
Speaker 1:I only know one of those sports. It could be a simple, it could be a local event. Go to a local event, right, and we're talking I mean, obviously we're talking about lawyers here, so typically most of them are very, very local or at least statewide. Go to a local event like 5K or something like that. Look at the list of sponsors. Like they're not set up shop there for the most part. I think maybe some of them would be, but, like you know, they're not set up shop there. They don't have like a booth or anything like that, but yet they have their name attached to it and it's like why, and and it's it's about. It's about getting that, that point a, to the point b. So, um, I've ran a 5k before. I hated it.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm running another one this upcoming week and for the record, I think I walked the 5k faster than mike ran it.
Speaker 1:But keep going hey, you know it's all about finishing all right um, it was slow people say and and I didn't necessarily enjoy it, but I know there's people there that did enjoy it and for them to be able to put that connection to hey, this is something I enjoyed uh, to a brand name, and now all of a sudden, that brand name's there and it's it's just heads, but it's not going to stay there.
Speaker 2:It's not going to stay there, it's like. So if you are doing that I mean if you are what is the next step? So, like I, never, we, never, I never have an ad. That's not connected to a landing page. It's not connected to a drip campaign.
Speaker 2:A drip campaign is essentially a series of emails that are pre-written that people get, that people get launched into when they take a certain action. So they're going to be reminded six, seven times, based on the email chain, and at the end of that email chain they might decide to never speak to me again, or by email, six to say I'm done with this, I'm unsubscribing. But yeah, you have to have some sort of follow-up. So if you are putting something on the side or you're sponsoring a 5K, that's great. Step one. I mean, it's not what we do here, but it's step one.
Speaker 2:What is the next step? Because we're talking about conversions. Remember the truth about conversions. The odds are. No one's going to see that and say if they see it, they're going to take some the people. The most success you're going to have there is someone's going to see it and they're going to look at their website. Okay, what happens when they look at your website. Do they have a free resource they can download, other blogs they can look into? Is there something they can request? I mean that's you're got to get. What is the next step? I mean, and that's I mean that's why so many people come with qr codes, because it's getting to them the next step. Okay, I see you, but I got to get you to the next step and it's like so that's where we're converting. What is the conversion? What are you converting to? What is the next step? Are you getting them there and at what percentage are you getting them?
Speaker 1:there, you can have a hundred thousand visitors to your website and still go broke. Oh yeah, you could have a million and still go broke, absolutely. And that's the crazy part is that you think a lot of times, especially in today's day and age, where social media reigns king in terms of digital, we have this idea that views equal progress. Not really. I mean, there is a point where you kind of like you, you have to like go back and like look through and are you increasing in views steadily over time? But to to eddie's point I think you said a little while back, did you mention going viral? I don't know if you said something.
Speaker 2:No, no, something about, you know, a spike or something like that? I have. No, I think you're dreaming. I have no idea what you're talking about you might have said it. We can rewind this and if you're listening, rewind it and try to see if I said anything about a spike, and I guarantee I did not to be fair, it's been a long day and and it might have been this morning, but either way you can have a spike.
Speaker 1:That's why. That's why going viral doesn't really make sense, because going viral doesn't mean that you're attracting the right people and going viral viral doesn't mean that it it is creating Steady progress is like you can have 100,000 visitors and zero people are converting. That's like going viral and then like that's it, it's done, it's over. Or you can have 100,000 visitors of the right kind of people. Even 100. Even 100. Sure, but I'm just comparing the numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just mean three.
Speaker 1:I mean I get what you're saying, but yeah, so like comparing, like to the fact that, like wouldn't you rather have the right kind of people? And unfortunately, but you know it's just part of life, getting those right kind of people, getting 100,000 of the right kind of people, usually takes a while to build up to, and so that's kind of the nature of the business.
Speaker 2:And, even more importantly, what are you doing with the views or those numbers? I mean like, okay, what am I doing with them? Next, I, okay, I got them into the party, but these people don't like dancing and I'm playing music. I mean I was like, okay, what am I? This is not the right kind of people, but yeah, so what are you doing with them? So like, even though, like, we rerun facebook ads, like, uh, meta ads, linkedin ads, etc. I mean, when people click on something, what am I getting them to do? And like the shortcut in the, the cheese ball thing is like, I just, I just want them to book. Okay, that that is. That is okay, it's a viable option, but the that's going to take fewer and far between for that to happen.
Speaker 2:But I mean it's in that that you can't put all your dollars and it's like call me now, immediately. That is a step. That is one part of the process. And we actually have ads that we call them call me nows. And we also have lead nurturing ads. I mean lead nurturing ads, but they're specifically designed for someone to take the next step, People that are interested. Okay, I converted.
Speaker 2:Okay, I took someone that was on the internet and was on Facebook. They clicked, they decided to fill out the form. They downloaded the form. Okay, they clicked on a button saying do not call me, I'm not interested in your services right now, but I am interested in reading this free guide. Okay, now we have those numbers, what is the next step? And then again, we're always going back to that drip campaign or some sort of follow-up, and it's going to be continuous until that person either decides to. Maybe they follow us on social media, they subscribe to our newsletter and they become like a casual acquaintance of ours and they kind of stay within our sphere for an X amount of time until they leave, or they decide that they want out or decide they need our services.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's some sort of decision point is so a conversion doesn't always necessarily mean I saw it, I'm ready, here's my money, or I'm ready to work with you. It just doesn't. It's again. I want to go back to that number, about 2%. It's going to happen 2% of the time people are in the first interaction and if I could put up an ad for a law firm that converted in the way that that client and I hope they're doing well, in the way that they wanted, I'd be worth 70 times what I'm getting paid right now, because I mean that's just not the way life works. I mean you can't convert like that, but you can convert them to a next step, you can move them along the journey and that's what a conversion truly is. I mean it's just like it's just getting them to the next step and it just. It might not be the step that you want, but it is a step toward the thing that you want and there's a lot more areas where you know taking that next step falls into place.
Speaker 1:Besides just digitally, I mean, for example, an area. An area is like the intake process. So, for example, there's a stat that's like 70% of legal consumers say that responsiveness is a key factor in hiring.
Speaker 2:We were just talking about this. I'm like you usually want to contact. If someone's interested in you calling them and you're an attorney, you probably want to get on that in about five minutes. Yeah, Like that's what you have. I mean, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the success rate of you contacting a lead within five minutes versus 10 minutes is shocking. I mean, you have to get them early. They're in the selling and buying environment. Their responsiveness is enormous.
Speaker 1:Their attitudes or their brains are more spongy at that point.
Speaker 1:Because, you know, usually when someone's like looking for a, an attorney, hire, usually something triggered that already usually something happened, whether their spouse came to him and said, hey, I want a divorce in there, when, whether someone they love died and they now they're free, thinking, okay, hey, maybe I should, you know, think about my estate, um, or or it could just be, you know, they got into an accident and they need a personal injury lawyer.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's so many things that trigger them looking for a, uh, a lawyer to work with. And if they're in that, and if they're in that stage, if they're in that state of mind, like that's like you know. Again, I don't want to sound like, oh, you're going to get them where they're when they're down. You know, it's not like that, it's like you you're doing good work for them and leaving your work. You're just reaching them at a point where they're more likely to just kind of listen to what you're saying and at least follow the advice that you have for them, um, and then you know, hopefully hire you, um. So wouldn't you rather have a lead magnet than not, because if they're looking and they come across your lead magnet and it's like five things to do if your spouse asks for a divorce, and even that because I mean it's a little more urgent.
Speaker 2:You might actually it, I guess. I mean you have all those thoughts in your head. It's like what is going to happen to my children? What's going to happen to my assets? I mean, can my spouse move away? I mean, what is schools? I mean there's so many questions you have when you're going through a divorce.
Speaker 2:But I mean there's also people that I mean I always go to this estate planning attorneys. I mean most adults, I mean most responsible adults, are aware they need some sort of an estate plan. I mean any estate planning attorney knows I mean it's dark subject matter. I mean it takes a while for someone to get around to pulling the trigger on creating a revocable trust or a will, whatever services that you're offering or what they want. But I mean they know in the back of their mind that they need this. They're just not ready to pull the trigger yet.
Speaker 2:So I mean odds are, if you see an estate planning ad, you might not say okay, I'm ready to go in tomorrow, like I'm not there yet. Or now they see a resource. The five thing is going to happen if you pass away without any sort of plan. So the urgency isn't necessarily there for all your clients. But I mean, like, if you get them, like again, we're not looking for a straight up conversion, the sense they're in your front door, we're looking for the set up, that conversion. They're willing to engage with a resource you downloaded, a resource you provided they can download. So do you have that? Do you have the next step? If all you have is a consultation, free or otherwise, like you're asking for a lot and you're asking for a Hail Mary pass, I mean you are going to get people that way but you're losing a lot by not converting them to the next appropriate step and keeping them within your kind of sphere of influence for as long as you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So let's recap it all right. Start off with some pretty good information about few good men. Yeah right, colonel Nathan Joseph, that's a terrific impression of Jack Nicholson 0.5 out of 10. I'll take it. And then we kind of, so we started off basically talking about, you know how, conversions. There's this idea out there that all you need is a bunch of clicks and then that's what's the name of the game. But what we've been kind of saying throughout is that that's not. It's what they do after the click that matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the click, and I was just saying $100,000 or 100,000 likes. I mean you can convert 100,000 likes into $100,000, possibly if you have the right to be very tough. But I mean like in terms of but you have to get something. You have to get a clear line of progression and small steps that adds them closer to what a consultation is, versus just making that big jump from I'm interested, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1:Speaking of let's go, we've got to go. This has been a great episode, eddie, appreciate you being on, very welcome and for everyone listening, have a terrific weekend. Please leave a review. We would greatly appreciate. It Helps the podcast grow and we will see you all next week Later.